>> well, pundits right now, all the people in the oil industry that talk to, 2020, the united states may be self-sufficient and not need foreign oil. you know, early on you mentioned in your piece just before that, during the obama administration you had increase in oil production. it is about 5.3%, which is 6 1/2 million barrels of production right now that the u.s. is producing. by the end of 2013 there will be around 7 million. so the u.s. right now is importing about eight, to eight.3 million barrels of oil. by 2020, from all the emerging shale place, ohio utica, eagle ford and bakken you may see the united states sufficient in the oil sector by 2020. cheryl: we've seen the railroad sector show more of an interest because of transportation issues with petroleum and pipelines and no gos in particular with keystone. it is very interesting. david sidoo. east/west petroleum corporation executive and chairman. interesting topic. >> thanks very much for having me, cheryl. cheryl: kind after the break i will tell you the only s&p sector that is in the red so far this year. >>> plus, liz